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Mom-n-Andy
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 Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 11:43 am Post subject: Cache "permanence" |
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I understand that caches published on geocaching.com are supposed to be "permanent", i.e. not travelling or event caches.
Is it possible for an owner to disable a cache during the winter months and enable it again in the spring? For example, the cache is not winter accessible and the cache owner is not able to maintain it during the winter (and may in fact remove the cache temporarily during winter months). The cache would be permanent from year to year but not available year round.
I apologize if this has been asked before. I scanned the previous posts and didn't see this question. |
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kkhill
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| Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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I would guess it is... because I know Abandoned Bridge's owner disables it during the winter months, and puts it back up in the spring, when he deems it safe enough conditions to go back after it.
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Bruce
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| Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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| We have caches like this in the Titusville area too. |
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ACE-357
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There is a cache at Southtown Plaza that moved for the winter. I assume the owner will un-archive the summer location (GC1Q5H8) and archive the winter location (GC1ZCQV)) in the spring. This situation was complicated by the fact that the summer cache disappeared shortly before the CO was going to move/replace it anyway, but I imagine the new cache will go back next spring to where it was in summer 2009.
I assume the summer cache had to be archived rather than disabled because of the proximity rule. |
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dakboy
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| Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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| ACE-357 wrote: | | There is a cache at Southtown Plaza that moved for the winter. I assume the owner will un-archive the summer location (GC1Q5H8) and archive the winter location (GC1ZCQV)) in the spring. |
IIRC, COs can't un-archive caches. Once they're archived, they're done. I think the Southtown caches appearing & reappearing are more to give people new caches to log finds on.
To answer the OP's question, there's at least one cache in Cohoes along the Mohawk River that gets disabled for winter as well, for the same reasons as Abandoned Bridge.
My reading of the "permanence" guideline is that Groundspeak doesn't want a constant churn of caches in a small area, as that would be a lot of work for reviewers and encourage a "just to get the smilies" mindset. Plus, I think if I saw a lot of "now you see it, now you don't" cache activity I'd be less inclined to go looking for caches in that area/by that hider.
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sapiencetrek
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| Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 7:24 pm Post subject: Re: Cache "permanence" |
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| Mom-n-Andy wrote: | I understand that caches published on geocaching.com are supposed to be "permanent", i.e. not travelling or event caches.
Is it possible for an owner to disable a cache during the winter months and enable it again in the spring? For example, the cache is not winter accessible and the cache owner is not able to maintain it during the winter (and may in fact remove the cache temporarily during winter months). The cache would be permanent from year to year but not available year round.
I apologize if this has been asked before. I scanned the previous posts and didn't see this question. |
Yes, but I'd ask that you consider doing that only if the area is truly closed to people in the winter (roads closed, park closed, etc ...) If you think the cache cannot be accessed in the winter because of snow, I'd leave it enabled and make sure you check off the appropriate attribute saying it may not be winter accessible. |
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Captain Jon
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Um, No offense to anyone, but why do people other than ST answer questions directed to ST? Personally - I only care for the answers that ST gives as they are usually the only answers that have meaning..
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Novac
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Just be happy that Rochester has a nice, active forum 
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sno_man
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| Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 7:52 am Post subject: Re: Cache "permanence" |
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| sapiencetrek wrote: | | Yes, but I'd ask that you consider doing that only if the area is truly closed to people in the winter (roads closed, park closed, etc ...) If you think the cache cannot be accessed in the winter because of snow, I'd leave it enabled and make sure you check off the appropriate attribute saying it may not be winter accessible. |
I guess I'm a little confused on this, because I've seen at least 2 "Christmas" themed caches, one here and one in the Albany area, which are typically only around for two months, maybe three at the most. |
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Wheelygood
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| Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 10:08 am Post subject: Re: Cache "permanence" |
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| sno_man wrote: | | sapiencetrek wrote: | | Yes, but I'd ask that you consider doing that only if the area is truly closed to people in the winter (roads closed, park closed, etc ...) If you think the cache cannot be accessed in the winter because of snow, I'd leave it enabled and make sure you check off the appropriate attribute saying it may not be winter accessible. |
I guess I'm a little confused on this, because I've seen at least 2 "Christmas" themed caches, one here and one in the Albany area, which are typically only around for two months, maybe three at the most. |
See ST's thread: caches on geocaching.com - there is no cache precedent.
I also have heard once a year the lackeys get packages of swag from groundspeak and the more caches that a reviewer reviews, the larger the package.
Of course anything sent to ST would have to work for a left-handed person. |
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sno_man
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| Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 10:17 am Post subject: Re: Cache "permanence" |
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| Wheelygood wrote: | | Of course anything sent to ST would have to work for a left-handed person. |
Now THAT is funny! |
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Mom-n-Andy
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| Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 10:23 am Post subject: |
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| I've pm'd Sapience Trek for clarification. The cache I have in mind just wouldn't be feasible in the winter. |
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Frank Broughton
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| Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Novac wrote: | | Just be happy that Rochester has a nice, active forum |
Hey I try to help my Central NY buddies out too....
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Jeep-O-Caching
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| Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 12:08 am Post subject: |
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| Frank Broughton wrote: | | Novac wrote: | | Just be happy that Rochester has a nice, active forum |
Hey I try to help my Central NY buddies out too.... |
Central?! Next you'll be saying we're "somewhere near NYC" ... 
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I think Mr. Boughton was referring to the Syracuse area as Central New York ... which, if memory serves is what they call themselves. Novac correctly referred to us as the Rochester area.
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